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Shivvies from The Netherlands have sent me a cd
which a really good one. They took some time to
answer my questions and this was done in October
2022.
Please tell me a little about every member and
the history of the band?
-We’ve got Michiel and Robert from The Real
Danger, a long running punkrockband from all
over the Netherlands, and myself from bands like
The Windowsill and Giant Eagles, I also used to
be in a band called The Apers. We’re all very
much veterans in the Dutch punkrockscene and
know each other well. It was Michiel who wanted
to start a band and try and pay a little homage
to the band Ramones and The Riverdales. That
genre in particular. We wrote some songs,
rehearsed a couple of times and recorded an
album. This was done in the corona years of 2020
until late 2021. Michiel is a graphic designer,
Robert works at a company that produces tickets
for public transport and i work at a newspaper.
Your music is a style which came foreward many
years ago, how come that people plays this sort
of punk today?
-Because we all love the band Ramones, and
because it’s fun. But also because, if you want
to do it right, it’s hard, wich makes it more
fun. There are not many buttons to push or
handles to pull, musically. The limitations in
which to operate are there. So if you succeed in
making a reasonable good record, you’ve done
good. I think.
The name Shivvies where did it came from? What
does It mean…
-We had a lot of names and we kind of ended with
Shivvies after a long time discussing. It’s a
selfmade knife of some sort. Like what you would
need in prison to fight the gangsters in the
courtyard.
Is it still important to release physical
things? Or can you feel that you have done a
record if you only release it digitally? Have
done anything more than The Shivvies-CD?
-Ofcourse! We will always want to release
physical stuff, that is the fun part right? I
very much understand that everything should also
be digitally released nowadays, but there are
still a lot of people who like to touch records
and have them in their hands, i mean, vinyl
sales are going through the roof, it takes
almost a year from pressing plant to product,
that’s how busy they are right now. The record
came out on vinyl (and cd) on Shield Recordings
from the Netherlands and on tape on Memorable
But Not Honarable, a tape-label from the US.
You have never been to Sweden and played or been
here as tourists? If you not have when do you
come?
-No, never unfortunately. They say it’s very
nice. I don’t think that we as a band have any
plans to tour in that direction. Touring takes
time. We don’t have that much time with
everything going on with everybody these day. I
think Michiels sister lives in Sweden, or maybe
it was Norway, i can’t remember.
Which countries have had the pleasure to be
hearing the band live?
-We’ve been to Belgium and we have some upcoming
shows in Germany. And The Netherlands ofcourse.
But we’ve only did 12 shows or something like
that. We’re still pretty new.
When you do songs, how do you do, are you
jamming together or do someone comes with a
lyric and some with the music or how do you do
your songs?
-No, it’s either Michiel or me with a
semi-complete song, musically and lyrically . We
go through it and tweak if necessary. We did
write some words for verses or chorusses for
each others songs, but the arrangement is pretty
much always already there before we enter the
rehearsal room. Jamming sucks. Unless you are
Bob Marley ofcourse.
It seems like you have influences from Ramones,
poppier Fat Wreck-band etc…other styles you
like?
-Yeah, definitively Ramones. But also The
Undertones, The Riverdales, Huntingtons. We’re
purposely trying to be influenced by that style.
But it’s not all we listen to. Michiel listens
to a lot of hiphop and hardcore for example.
Please tell me a little about the following
lyrics….and who wrote it and why?
-Creepy Vibes Michiel: it’s about a guy giving
off creepy vibes in the local disco. It happens,
and it sucks. Just act normal around the ladies
Esperanza Michiel: it’s about a girl that
Michiel can never have. It’s the classic can’t
get the girl thing (without giving off creepy
vibes, but instead, serenade her with a sax
solo)
Phone Booth It’s about me waiting for my love,
who sadly has been murdered
How is it to live in The Netherlands nowadays,
racists, politics,covid, etc? How is it to be a
punkband there?
-The Netherlands is and probably always be a
great place to live in. Sure, you could
problematize plenty of things going on, like the
environment for example, or the shortage of
houses to live in for everybody, which is
created by the environmental thing, and so on.
But the overall feeling is ok, for us at least.
Are you calling yourself a punkband,
hardcoreband, or just call you a rockband? Is it
important to mention punk in the same time you
talk about your band? What is your thoughts
about punk when you started and if you compare
with punk today?
-We are a punkrockband. Punkrock because of the
style we play, and because of the diy attitude.
We’re not singing about the empoverished working
class or about the system. But we might do that
someday. If being anti is your definition of
punk, we’re not those kind of punks.
Do you have any favorite football team(I support
Arsenal(England) and a Swedish team called GAIS
myself)?
-Robert likes Ajax (from Amsterdam), I like any
team from Rotterdam that can beat Ajax, and
Michiel isnt really into football, but when the
national team plays, he will watch.
Beer is expensive in Sweden. I have a very big
interest in beer and brew myself? Your favourite
beerstyle ? You don´t have an own Shivvies-beer?
Or maybe you are straightedge?
-I guess when you get older the more expensive
ipa’s are my go-to stuff at the moment. But we
usually also drink a couple of lager beers when
rehearsing. If i would have told my younger me
about the great milkshake IPA I had yesterday,
younger me would probably say i was being silly.
Is there any good bands from The Netherlands
worth to mention? And how is punk living on in
The Netherlands right now?
-Lone Wolf is a good band, check them out.
They’re in the US right now for some shows (mid
october). The other band of Robert and Michiel
The Real Danger is also very good.
What is your strength when you play live?
-Short set, tight set, some short tight jokes
from the guys in front.
Which type of people comes to your concerts?
Which type of people do you miss?
-I dont really see a subcrowd in our audience.
It’s friends, older guys with beards, young
girls, hardcore kids, punkrock dudes…. I don’t
know, just people.
Do you buy much records, or is it only Spotify
and those type of things to listen to music? Any
good record store?
-I myself buy a lot of records still, I like to
keep track of the European punkrockscene, and
try to support that. But i also go on discogs
and get those records i still miss in my
collection. I just recently I spend over a 100
euro’s on some Turbonegro records.
Are you selling any merch on your gigs, do
people buy it? What sells best?
-We have only one record, but it sells. T-shirts
sell better though.
Which is your own favoritesong among your own
songs? And which song is the people choice?
-We’re actually writing a lot of songs at the
moment for our second album, so my favorite
might be some of those. But spotify aka ‘the
peoples choice’ clearly likes Goodnight Baby and
Phonebooth the best.
What´s the biggest difference when you plays
live nowadays if you compare when you first
started to play in a band?
-I recently bought a very small,
fits-right-in-your-hand-digital amp. I love it!
And it does the job. So much better than
carrying those jcm 800’s up a flight of stairs
like we used to. I think we have over 2.000
shows played between the 3 of us. We kind of
know what to expect and what to do. You know,
like Kobe Bryant.
Do you care about reviews? Which is the most
peculiar you ever had, with this band or any
other band you have been to?
-Haha, I’ve had some very weird ones with the
Apers back in the 90ties. We were at that time
maybe the only band playing Ramones-style music,
and people had to adjust to that genre here in
the Netherlands. The weirdest one was from that
period: ‘prakke prakke, ploenke ploenke, nice
for these monkies’ That was it.
If you could choose five bands from the past and
the history and nowadays and both dead and
living bands to have a concert together with
your band. Which five have you been chosen?
-Ramones Thin lizzy with Phil Lynott Fountains
of Wayne
Is music a good way to get out frustration and
become a nicer person outside the music?
-Maybe, nice theory. I do think that touring
helps you experience the highest of highs and
the lowest of lows. That is when you truly see
who you are as a person.
Are you only sing in english , never in dutch?
Have you ever done a politic song?
-Yeah, we sing in English, but i would love to
write some songs with Dutch lyrics. I’ve done
political songs with other bands of mine, but
never with The Shivvies.
Any good Swedish bands you like?
-I really like The Caesars, Soundtrack of our
Lives, The High Hats, are they from Sweden? and
ABBA of course
Is it boring with interviews? Is it much
interviews? What do you prefer
Telephoneinterviews, face to face or as this one
via e-mail?
-I like interviews, no problems with them
Futureplans for the band?
-Most important plan is to record the second
album. That will be fun. Also, maybe do a show
in Italy. As for the rest, we don’t know, we’ll
see it when we get there.
Futureplans for yourself?
-Stay calm and carry on
Wisdomword?
-Don’t worry too much, life is short
Something more to add?
-Holland, champion of the world 2022 Slava
Ukraini Embrace the rainbow
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