Paranoid State comes from Netherlands and they
were a very positive thing to listen to I think
and I heard a lot of early english punk in their
music and I wanted to interview them and now
it´s done. Wim is the one who is answering the
questions.
August 2019
Please tell me a little bit history of the
group?
Wim: "We started in 2014, Martijn, who I know
for quite some time, asked me if I was
interested in starting a band in the style of
Rites of Spring. I was into it immediately
because it's a style I really like and I had
some musical ideas that didn't fit in my other
band, Tense Reaction. So we had to find a bass
player. I knew Gideon from the scene and he's
one of the best players around but also very
busy with his bands. But when I sent him a
message, asking if he was into it, he replied
within a few nanoseconds: "When is practice?"
After playing a couple of minutes together it
was clear that there was something there. Then
for almost a year we were practicing, writing
songs and we made a recording which became our
first LP. It was funny because after this
recording we still had to do our first live show
and right after that gig we got two offers from
labels who wanted to release the LP."
Please tell me a little about every member in
the group right now, age, family, work,
interests and something bad about everyone?
Earlier bands? Other bands on the side?
Wim: " Gideon is 39 years old and lives in the
center of Amsterdam. Besides playing music he
has a huge interest in cinema and collecting
records. He has a job in mental health care and
teaches bass now and then. Currently he plays
bass in Open Wounds, fast 80s style hardcore
with a member of Vitamin X. And he is also the
guitarist for Dutch sailorpunk band Karel Anker
& De Joden.
Martijn is 35 years old, he lives in Utrecht
with his girlfriend and is a professional
filmmaker.
I'm 51 years old. I live with my girlfriend and
our dog and our cat. I make a living as an art
framer.
Maybe the other guys have something bad to say
about me, I only have good things to say about
them because they're my friends and appreciate
them for being in this band together.
Before I switched to guitar I played drums in a
band called DanDare and in Vitamin X.
I also play guitar in fastcore band Tense
Reaction."
I can hear much different influences but mostly
punk as GBH, One Way System, Husker DU?
Favorites from the past?
Wim: "Hüsker Dü is obvious a very big influence
but I never thought about GBH like that. It's
funny because you are actually the second person
who calls us a cross between Hüsker Dü and GBH,
the first one was James Rose, the singer of
Annihilation Time and EEL.
It's cool that you mention in your review of our
records that our music is difficult to label but
it's punk without a doubt. I like to think about
Paranoid State as being a hardcore punk band,
working within the parameters of the HC punk
style, but also trying to be as free as possible
to do what we want within these boundaries.
My favorite bands, and also the bands that are a
big influence on the songwriting for Paranoid
State, are Hüsker Dü, Wipers, Black Flag,
Articles of Faith, Bad Brains, Government Issue,
Scream, Funeral Oration (especially the
Communion LP) The Offenders, The Minutemen,
the list goes on. I'm also very much into
bands like Joy Division, Killing Joke and The
Sound, this dark postpunk sound, and I listen a
lot to John Coltrane. But my all time favorite
is The Clash, it's the most important band in my
life. When I discovered that band it was like a
door opened for me.
Paranoid State are you satisfied with the name?
How did it came up? You weren’t afraid that some
other band would be named like this? Which is
the best bandname you know?
Wim: "We were brainstorming about bandnames and
this one was the name that stuck. It works on
different levels: personal and political.
When I was checking the internet if there was
another band with this name I couldn't find
anything! And then when we put up a Bandcamp and
Facebook page all of sudden this dance band from
New Zealand from around 2008 came surfacing and
I had never heard of them! I still don't
understand why they didn't surface when I was
looking for bands called Paranoid State on the
world wide web. I guess Google works in
mysterious ways.
The best names are the ones we make up for bands
that still have to be formed to fit those names
but probably never will be realized.
What´s the best thing with playing live?
Wim: "Getting lost in the noise, being in the
moment. It doesn't happen all the time but when
it does it's the best thing ever."
And where is best to play? And the worst place?
Wim: "For me it's not a so much a specific place
or venue but more about the people and the vibe
of the whole thing. The best place is where
people are open towards the bands that are
playing and are totally into it. The worst
places are those shows where people prefer to
sit around a campfire outside listening to some
asshole with an acoustic guitar rather than
checking out the bands that are playing their
asses off on stage. But we will always give at
least 110 percent. Even if we're playing in an
empty room."
How is to play this sort of music in Netherlands
right now?
Which types of bands do you have concerts
together with?
Wim: "The scene has it's ups and downs but right
now it's actually pretty happening. Lots of
young bands, people organizing stuff but also
veteran bands like Seein' Red are playing again.
Bands we play a lot of shows with and everone
should check out are: Forbidden Wizards, GFR,
Pressure Pact, Raylin, SFD, Stranded, Pauper,
Terror Defence, Azijnpisser, Pig Frenzy,
Network76."
How would you describe your music in three words?
Wim: "Loose, tight, loud."
What does punk mean to you, is it only a word or
is it a lifestyle?
Wim: "Punk has been around now for about 43
years! It has been declared dead so many times
and it's still important for so many people. It
can give you so many opportunities: pick up an
instrument, start a band, organize shows, don't
fool around, just do it. It's still happening
everywhere, young kids getting into it. Not just
the music, but the whole thing. The way things
are being done. For some people maybe it's just
the music, but for some it's also about
the ethical side of things. For me punk
took the original feeling of rock 'n roll, the
freedom, and made sure it was secure, so the
assholes couldn't get their dirty hands on it.
What shall a young guy do today to shock their
parents as the way we did when we were young?
They have already seen everything
😉?
Wim: "Young people can always shock the older
generations. When I was young it was a haircut
or a pair of ripped jeans. But in these days,
imagine being a punk parent and your kid is
totally into Mumford and Sons or some autotune
monstrosity, then what?"
How is it to live in Netherlands right now?
Politically?
Fascists?
Is it a Paranoid State?
Wim: "The far right seems to get stronger and
stronger. Ideas that were unacceptable 30 years
ago are now embraced even by the establishment.
We have a new rightwing party here in Holland
with a young and media-friendly leader who is
very popular, also among young people and people
who are highly educated, but also among people
who are conservative christians. And they are
openly flirting with alt right figureheads and
racists and sexists. It gives me the creeps.
They have some problems already within their own
ranks like so many rightwing groups, but it
seems when one of those groups
implodes a new one will arise.
Is there any good bands from Netharlands
right now?
Is the punkscene/metalscene/hardcorescene
big? How is it in your hometown?
Wim: "A lot of great bands around (see question
no. 7). The metal scene
is always big in Holland, but I don't
know very much about it. The HC punk scene in
Utrecht was very big 15 years ago, but when the
squats disappeared so did the scene for a while
because it was harder to find places to do DIY
gigs. But things are looking better with
initiatives like Onrust Mosh Alert and Revival
Hardcore Fest. Also we have venues like dB's and
ACU who are very supportive of the diy scene.
Amsterdam is still always very active, lots of
shows and initiatives. And in Rotterdam and some
cities in the south of Holland young people are
organizing a lot of shows. Bands to check out
are: Forbidden Wizards, GFR, Pressure Pact,
Raylin, SFD, Stranded, Pauper, Terror Defence,
Azijnpisser, Pig Frenzy, Network76, Kru$h,
Crustenunie, Crawling Blind, Savage Beat and of
course our brother bands Open Wounds, Karel
Anker en de Joden and Tense Reaction!"
What do you know about Sweden?
Have you been here sometime?
Wim; "Gideon played the Linköping Hardcore Fest
in 2009 with his former band Civil Terror. That
was a great festival which is not around anymore
if I´m not mistaking. I have never been to
Sweden. But we should play some shows over there
in your country!"
Have you heard any good bands from Sweden?
Wim: "Sweden always had a big D-Beat and
metalscene right? Sorry State Records once
compared us with the Swedish band Data Control
but I never heard of them. Do you know them?
Gideon likes Masshysteri"
Your lyrics, who does them and what influences
you? Why not in your own language??
Wim: "I write all the lyrics. Most of the songs
deal with personal stuff also when they're more
on the political side of things. I tried to
write in Dutch but it didn't work for me. I like
the English language and I have the feeling it
suits this style of music the best. I also like
the fact that's it's not my first language, so
there's a bit of a distance between me and the
words. It's easier to write in a personal way
and to write about certain topics. It's hard to
explain but it works for me."
Is there any subject that you never will write
anything about?
Wim: "Food, partying, going to the pub, being
banned from the pubs etc. (Although I do like
the Descendents, Peter and the Test Tube Babies
and Sham 69 haha!)"
Politic and music, does it goes hand in hand?
Which is your most political song?
Wim: "It can go hand in hand but it should be
from the heart. Some bands even made
sloganeering into an art, so there's no formula,
if it works it works.
Our most political songs are Down in Flames,
Paranoid State and Damage Done. I wrote Down in
Flames about the rise of the far right here in
Holland and how fulnerable some achievements we
have made the last couple of decades still are.
I didn't want it to be to specific about only
one situation, and MRR, when they reviewed the
record, didn't understand what it was about.
Then Trump got elected and I was like: "Now you
know what it's about!"
The song Paranoid State is about dark forces at
work, so the title of the song works both ways.
Damage Done is about the power of words, how the
words of a loved one can hurt you with the truth
and how a person in power can destroy things
with lies.
Best political band/artist?
Wim: "Joe Strummer, Jello Biafra, Max Beckmann."
Do you think that music(lyrics and so on) can
change anyones life, I mean people who listens
to music?
Wim: "I can only speak for myself but music
definitely had a huge impact on my life
even before punk rock, more than I can put into
words. Music gave me direction. It can change
you or reinforce you in a certain way. It's a
powerful tool, sometimes for better or for worse."
Your favorite recordcover alltime?
Who does your recordcovers?
And do you have any good recordstores in
your hometown?
Wim: "My favorite cover is London Calling, not
only because it's so great but also because it's
such an important record for me. I also like the
Raymond Pettibon art on the SST records. And the
Dischord stuff, I liked the clean designs
combined with hardcore punk music.
Martijn does all our designs. I think it's great
in a way that it's very original and it really
catches your attention.
"Dig It" is a really cool record store here in
Utrecht. The guy who ownes it is from the scene
and is very supportive of local bands who have
records out."
Is it important to get out physical records of
your stuff? Why or why not? Vinyl, CD, cassette,
what do you prefer if you could choose whatever
?
Wim: "It's always cool to have your music
available in a physical form. Now in these times
you can have the best of both worlds, you can
listen online and get the record. I prefer
vinyl, it looks great and I like the sound of
it. It's natural. It brings the energy of the
music across in a way that's more real than CD's
"
Please tell me a funny thing which have happened
during your career and under some gig?
Wim: "Once we played in a vegan restaurant in
London. But not in the basement where we were
supposed to play, the manager put us on between
the tables with dining people. We played full
blast of course."
How does your audience look like? Which people
do you miss on your concerts? Which is the
biggest band you ever have played together with?
Wim: "A lot of young people come to punk shows
nowadays, along with old bastards like myself.
So it's pretty varied. The people I miss are the
ones who stay at home while they should come out
to see the show because I think they are missing
out.
The biggest band we played with is Stiff Little
Fingers and we did Rebellion Fest Amsterdam with
a lot of big names on the bill like UK Subs and
Ruts DC."
Please rank your five favoriterecords, five
favoriteconcerts and five most important things
in life?
Wim: "This one is tough!
Records: The Clash - London calling, Hüsker Dü -
Zen Arcade, Wipers - Over the edge, Bad Brains -
ROIR tape, Black Flag - Damaged.
Concerts: Scream 1988, Bad Brains 1989, Wipers
1989, Hüsker Dü, 1987, Toxic Reasons 1985.
Most important things: Music, being able to do
the things you love, the beauty of it all, life
is short, and most important: the person you
love and loves you back."
First, last and most expensive record ever
bought?
Wim "First: Everly Brothers - 20 Greatest hits.
Last: Toxic Reasons - Bullets for you. Most
expensive record is probably the Hüsker Dü box
set Savage Young Dü. But I didn't have to buy
it, I
got it as a birthday present!"
Is it boring with interviews? Is it much
interviews?
Wim: "I like doing interviews, we don't do a lot
of interviews so it's still cool!"
Do you care about reviews? Which is the most
peculiar you ever had, with this band or any
other band you have been to?
Wim: "Reviews are always a bit weird, on one
hand it's one person's opinion but if it's done
in a good way, if the reviewer uses his insight
and knowledge in a good way to review a piece of
work, be it music, a movie or a book or a piece
of art, it has value. But I know people who will
buy a record if a certain reviewer hates it.
They go like: "If he hates it it must be good!"
One of my earlier bands once got a review of a
demo in a dutch magazine saying the record was
great to get rid of constipation. A couple of
weeks later it was "demo of the week" on a
canadian online magazine, so what can you say."
Which bands do people compare you to, is it
boring that people compare you to other bands or
is it understandable?
Wim: "I totally understand why people compare
bands, I do it myself all the time. It gives you
an idea of context and sometimes it can be a
surprise, like GBH and One Way System which is
cool! We get compared by early Hüsker Dü a lot,
that one is obvious, people hear things in the
music which is very cool. Black Flag or Rites of
Spring or even Killing Joke. I loved that one
because that band is a major part of my musical
forming. And they are still as powerful as ever."
If you could choose five bands from the past and
the history and nowadays and both dead and
living bands to have a concert together with
your band. Which five have you been chosen?
Wim: "I
choose bands who are long gone so I would
have the chance to see them live (again): Dead
Kennedys with Jello, Minor Threat, Bad Brains,
Hüsker Dü, The Clash."
Wim: "Yeah, without music and playing in bands I
would lose my sanity."
Which is the most odd question you ever have got
in an interview?
Wim: "What's your favorite animal. Gideon
answered that one brilliantly. (Something about
a sea turtle.)"
Which is the question you want to have but you
never get. Please ask it and answer it?
Wim: "Question: Coffee or tea. Answer: Coffee!."
Futureplans for the band?
Wim: "We have a bunch of new songs so hopefully
a new record soon. In september we are going to
the UK for a couple of gigs. We like doing shows
abroad so maybe do some in Sweden? Who knows!"
For yourself?
Wim: "See last question!"
Wisdomword?
Wim: "Do it. And trust your instincts."
Something to add?
Wim: "Thanks for doing this interview with us
and your interest in our band, I really
appreciate it!"
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