Brazil have got foreward a lot of good bands an
Excluidos isn´t any exception from that. It took
a while but finally here is the long interview
with the Brazilian punkband….november-2016
Please tell me a little bit history of the
It started in 1996, São Paulo, one of the
world’s biggest cities. 4 friends having a hard
adolescence, full of energy and loaded with
fears and uncertainties, were finishing high
school and glimpsed a way of changing their
lives and expressing themselves together through
punk rock. What started with a strong
identification and forthcoming with the punk
culture finally materialized itself emphatically
with the formation of a band in 1998.
It came as no surprise that our main influences
have always been the classic punk rock bands
from the70’s, and much of what we became and
believe in adult age come from the punk culture.
At that time in São Paulo, the punk underground
scene was dominated musically by Hardcore and
Crust bands but we wanted something different,
something that sounded more like the bands that
we liked while still keeping a sense and a touch
of our reality. In these days, we and some
another new bands were called "The New
Generation of Punk Rock" in our country, like
mentioned by Antonio Bivar (writer and
journalist with a strong background in the
Brazilian punk scene) in his book “O Que É
Punk?” (What's Punk? - 2001, Brasiliense -
publishing company). As soon as we gathered a
repertoire of a few songs. we started playing
and right from the beginning had a good
acceptance in the local scene. That allowed us
to play with important bands of the national
underground like Inocentes, Cólera and Ratos de
International band barely came to Brazil at that
time, but nevertheless, in the first years of
the band, we got the opportunity to play with
the Stiff Little Fingers. Several years later
Brazil entered a period with economic growth and
a favorable exchange rate that allowed more
bands from Europe and US to come to São Paulo.
During this period we also played with GBH
(2004), Rezillos (2006), The Adicts (2010) and
Please tell me a
little about every member in the group right
now, age, family, work, interests and something
bad about everyone? Earlier bands? Other
bands on the side?
-R: Caio (35
years old) – bassist. He is married and has two
little twin beauties as daughters. He is an
engineer and is interested in punk rock and
audio engineering, despite working on a big and
traditional multinational electric company to
make a living. He also played in another punk
band from São Paulo called Flicts in the early
2000's. His worst faults is to have a horrible
memory, besides being lame, color blind,
dyslexic, left-handed and bassist, HAHAHA!
André (36 years
old) – guitarist. He has a son almost entering
into the adolescence phase. He is a journalist
and has a very good musicality. He plays as
easily as he breathes! He is also interested in
sports and drugs. It seems a bit contradictory?
Well, this is André. His worst faults is that he
always wants to close the matters quickly,
because he is becoming a drunk and anxious
years old) - drummer. He too is an engineer and
absolutely methodical. His interests are
drumming, skateboarding and his collection of
world beer cans (over 4000 items by the time
this interview was conceived). He's dating a
long time with the same girl and his family
lives inland of São Paulo. What else testify
against him is: he already had dreadlocks!
years old) – singer and guitarist. He lives
alone but has a girlfriend with two daughters
and has small design company together with a
friend. He is a very artistic guy and true to
his beliefs. His interests are music, with
preference to punk rock, but he also likes to
learn about other music styles like Scottish
music (for many years he has been playing in a
bagpipe band). Ronaldo founded the band and
because of his charisma and sensibility much of
the style and personality of the band comes from
him. What sometimes can be really annoying about
him, is his disorganization and lack of sense of
time. In the last years he is also getting kind
of rude sometimes, but he still has this kind of
a “best friend a guy can have” way.
I can hear much
different influences but mostly punk as Clash
Jam but even early U2? Favorites from the past?
Well, really, punkrock is our base, because it
is the preference of all four band members. It
was this style of music that awakens our desire
to play. I'm glad that you could figure this
out, because Clash and Jam are two admired bands
and huge influences for us! About early U2, is
has never been among our preferences, but I can
understand why you cited them. I will quote our
favorite of all time, because some bands are
Pistols, Buzzcocks, The Jam, Undertones, Adicts,
Damned, early Misfits with Glen Danzig, Rezillos,
Stiff Little Fingers,Toy Dolls are in our
pantheon of punk rock bands, but there are still
many others of this style that we love. We also
like other rock styles, especially The Beatles,
early Metallica (until the Black album), Queen,
AC/DC, Thin Lizzy and the first two albums of
Guns and Roses, which were part of our
you satisfied with the name? How did it came up?
What does it mean? Which is the best bandname
Yes, very satisfied, although this name seems to
carry a negative load that will probably always
keep our band out of any big achievements. Is a
The name came up
when I and an old buddy felt like outsiders in
school when I and Romeu (this colleague) were
forming the band. The name does not only
represent the way other guys and girls in school
and neighborhood made us feels but it also
represents the “right” behaviors society imposes
that we don’t agree with and for us seemed to be
more like a horror show. We didn’t agree on the
way people valorized fashion, with the prejudice
against poor and with those who didn’t fit on
the “normal” way of being as well as with the
repressive education system that our society
literally means "the excluded" and this means
that we have a way of thinking and acting that’s
on the margins of society. Despite of this
ideology, we have to admit that we have never
been able to really live our lives as much
aligned to our convictions as some bands we knew
(e. g. Crass or Oi Polloi). At the time, and
still today we have never been able to make a
living out of the band and give up our jobs.
Still we try and do as much as we can.
The best band name, I don't know. But I can
remember some cool and funny names like a old
brazilian punk band Restos de Nada (Rests of
Nothing), and Adam and the Ants.
What´s the best
thing with playing live?
Feel the energy!
There are two
main ways for the band to express itself:
– Live, when the
energy flows through the audience.
– And by
recording an album and try as much as possible
to register our essence.
In both ways, it’s great when we feel that the
people that listen to us share our thoughts and
capture this essence and connect them to their
And where is
best to play? And the worst place?
It’s always great to play in small overcrowded
clubs with a decent PA and overall
infrastructure. All in all, if you have a good
vocal reproduction things tend to flow.
The worst places
to play are those ones where no one is really
interested in you or your musical style and the
atmosphere is cold. When the equipment in the
venue is lousy, it’s also a pain in the ass,
because we are not able to deliver what we can
and people don’t get the chance to really
understand who and what we are.
How is to play
this sort of music in Brazil right now? Which
types of bands do you have concerts together
R: (Raphael/Ronaldo) The uderground scene in
Brazil has been better, but also has been worse.
For us, we started going to shows in the 90s,
thinking that we would arrive in 2016 with a
much larger and more powerful scene, but it was
In São Paulo particularly, in the late 90s early
2000s, there was a big "boom" of independent
rock bands. At that time, don't had venues in
São Paulo who made the scene become stronger and
In parallel in 1998, opened in São Paulo a very
important place, the Hangar 110. This venue
helped leverage the underground scene of São
Paulo and indirectly the scene of Brazil. As the
owner of the house had been a member of a punk
band in the early 80 (Anarkólatras), the
Brazilian punk and hardcore scene had a new
great space to express themselves.
However it was weakening over the years in a
decadence process caused by disinterest, too
complex to explain here.
Usually we played in concerts of punk rock with
punk rock bands, but we has also played shows
with Hardcore bands, Rock'n'Roll, Psychobilly
and a Reggae band once.
How would you
describe your music in three words?
I’ll give you three alternatives, all of them
represent our music well.
1 - punk rock
2 - love true music.
3 - expression,
fun and friendship.
What does punk
mean to you, is it only a word or is it a
Well, we are not punks, but it really changed
our lives. Because of it we have a more critical
vision and challenge the supposed good
intentions behind things. Part of us have been
educated based on conservatives Christians
patterns and we found a way of disruption
through punk. Music “saved” our lives and punk
open our eyes!
How do you see
on downloading, mp3 and that stuff?
R: (Raphael/André/Ronaldo) We see this stuff in
a positive way, but it have a two faces.
The internet now provides us with broad access
to information as well as an important means of
communication for all purposes.
For independent artists, this means of
dissemination has even greater weight as it
makes it possible to get our work to places
where it would not be as easy without it. Even
we can do our music to get you through those
For another side, the public's relationship with
the artist became volatile and banal, because
this massive supply of material, makes it
difficult to choose and shortens the immersion
in the universe that artist, making the public's
relationship with the artists, increasingly
How is it to
live in Brazil now? Politically?
R: (André) Our political and economic situation
is very complicated. Brazil has one of the
world's worst income distributions. This means
that live here some of the richest people in the
world who control politics and the economy, and
some of the poorest people on the planet who
still live in the 18th century conditions,
illiterate, without electricity, without access
to health care. Meanwhile there, all the rest
will be rotten.
Is there any
good bands from Brazil now? Is the
punkscene/hardcorescene big? How is it in
R: (Ronaldo/André) Today we don't have a scene
exactly, we see the emergence of good bands and
some rock venues in São Paulo and a new galley
which is getting involved, DJing and organizing
gigs like the SP Paranóia group, besides the
Casa Mafalda, that is a lab of cultural and
social practices. So, we have evidences that
this reality may reverse soon in all country.
In the early 80 came the first great wave of
punk in Brazil and in this decade, originated
most of the bands in this segment. The second
big wave, in which we participate, happened in
the second half of the 90s and these two moments
that cultural, artistic and political movement
endures through the same bands as Cólera, Olho
Seco, Garotos Podres, Inocentes, Invasores de
Cérebros, DZK and Ratos de Porão of the first
wave and from the second wave Juventude Maldita,
Subviventes, Deserdados, Ação Direta, Calibre
12, Gritando HC, Devotos, Agrotóxico, Flicts and
we, all playing up today!
What do you know about Sweden?
Basic historical things about your culture like
the ancient paganism, Vikings and internal
"family" wars, there are small differences
between your language and the Norwegian, and you
both don't understand Finnish! hehe
Also we know
that is a rich country with a good quality of
life specially regarding the health system,
education and basics needs. The weather can be
brutal at some times of the year and the Zlatan
Ibrahimović is always cruel to the defenses of
football opposing teams.
But that’s just how far our knowledge goes.
We’ve never been in Sweden and know little about
today’s lifestyle but would love to visit and
get to know the country!
Have you heard
any good bands from Sweden?
Yes, oddly enough, and is not the Abba, Roxette
or Cardigans! Are few bands, but weirdly the
first that come in mind is Asta Kask, though we
not enjoyed it really, because is not our
preference in a hardcore style.
But the other
boys of our adolescent times always quoted the
Asta Kask when they were doing compilations on
cassete tapes that included these bands of old
school hardcore style. After that I met a
compilation album released in the mid 80s in
Brazil, with the bands Anti-Cimex, Crude SS,
Fear of War and Rövsvett, also hardcore and as I
said before do not really enjoyed, because it
was not the style that attracts me more.
I have a cd of a
band called “The Sinners” that I got in early
2000' and the first song "Love you more than
this", that has a 90's vibe with a "
country pop pinch", is always part of our
playlist in trips. We also know The Hellacopters,
a good band, and Melody Club that has some very
good melodies like "Destiny calling" from the
"Scream" album. Ebba Grön also has some good
stuff in some specific moments of their
discography. I also have singles from bands like
"Vicious Visions", "Urban Släke", "Vacum",
"Travolta Kids" but I know very, very little
about them. Well, we know that there is a
poignant scene in Sweden since the years 60/70
to here, but we don't know really much. But
surely we would love to buy some vinyls and
watch some presentations in the Pet Sounds Shop
Your lyrics, who
does them and what influences you? Is it
easier to do lyrics now or was it easier to do
it when you was younger? Never in english?
Lyrics are a challenge for us! They are composed
in four hands, almost everyone in the band
contributes, but portuguese is a somehow
truncaded language and the sound have a nasal
feature. The lyrics are one of the major factors
that explain why we take so long to compile a
We don’t make
songs with verses that end like "yeah, yeah,
yeahhhh", or simply "ooohhh, ooohhh", because in
Brazil this would sound strange, in opposite to
countries where english is spoken and where rock
and roll was originated.
the lyrics demand a true story or message that
describes things, (whether or not important).
Obviously, our pop music that is in the
mainstream does not follow this “rule”. Those
normally say silly things but also disappear
after 6 months.
comes from the dilemmas we face in our country,
one of them being the social differences, that
leads to a deep emptiness, pain and anger. But
that is just one of many themes in our lyrics.
It may seem
contradictory, but when we were younger, it was
easier to write lyrics, because we had less
repertoire about life. Our arguments were most
obvious and direct, and therefore it was easier
to express our anger. Today, we are still
dissatisfied with the world. Anger and
unhappiness are still with us, but with more
self-control, besides a more critical and
consequent point of view.
We have never done a song in english and
probably we will never do that in our albums. We
don't have any good reason to it and it would be
even more difficult. Maybe in some special
project, who knows?
Is there any
subject that you never will write anything
Superfluous things, luxury and apologia to
consumerism. Support to reactionary and
romantic love”, is a theme that irritates me a
lot, but we never know. We believe in love in
all its diversity.
music, does it go hand in hand? Which is
your most political song?
R: (Ronaldo) It
often does for us! In past times we spoke about
introspective and emotional issues, but always
searching for a relation to our daily live and
how the illogical and mediocre routine makes us
tired and turn our lives sadder. Our most
political song is "Pra melhor" (For the better).
We must not submit ourselves
to a false democracy
But be have the right to choose
and we want anarchy
We want to be able to live
without abuse of power
We are victims of this society
that's why we are against the government
It takes away our liberty
and there is no half term on that
What's the point of this fucking system
that doesn't grant any chance
For the better
For the better
For the better
Best political band/artist?
Probably The Clash, sometimes. It's not the most
political group, but have a good balance between
artistic side and a political posture and
certainly a very refined poetry in their lyrics.
Do you think
that music(lyrics and so on) can change anyones
life, I mean people who listens to music?
R: (André) The music changed my life. Why not
change the other? If I had never heard Ramones
sure I would be a completely different person.
So, I think so, the music turns. Art has that
Your cover on
your CD looks really nice, is it important to
have a record cover which shows people which
type of music you play? Your favorite
recordcover? Who does your covers?
And do you have any good recordstores in your
During the recording and mixing sessions of this
album we quite often talked about what the cover
should look like, but never ended up with
something meaningful for everybody in the band.
It came to a point where we just said "let's
think about that when the master is ready".
As soon as the
master was ready we did three or four picture
sessions with different photographers without
any specific planning for the cover. We really
just needed some decent updated pics of the
band. On the least and unpretentious
sessions, a friend of ours took that picture we
chose for the cover. She wasn’t thinking about a
picture for the CD cover. When we saw it, we
really thought that it represents very well what
we are, the place we live in, the kind of music
we play and the moment we were going thru.
some of the best album covers ever (in our
opinion) have band pictures, like the classic
Ramones album, the Undertones and even some
local references like the Inocentes "Adeus
Carne" record. I think this is still a heritage
from the old days, before internet got so
popular, where it was really hard to get
information about bands, especially pictures.
Therefore it was always cool when the cover had
a picture of the band members.
The complete art
based on that picture was done by Ronaldo, but
everyone got to give some advices which didn't
make it easy, but at the end it came out really
nice. In this album everything was done by
ourselves (compositions, arrangements,
recording, mixing, art, etc...) and that's why
it represents very well what we really are
nowadays it is easy to get imported records
although it can be expensive, since the
government charges high import taxes on this
kind of material. If we look back 2 decades,
when we started to learn more about punk bands
and form our musical style, it was very hard to
get to listen to this type of music. I remember
that back then, if someone got a new imported
record he instantly became popular, since
everyone who wanted to listen or get a copy of
the record relied on the original owner. Almost
everything I knew when I was a teenager came
from a cassette copy from the "older" guys in
the scene who had the chance to buy records
abroad. Those copies where even sold at punk
gigs in São Paulo. Some punks even did a living
out of it.
But nowadays we have few stores we like to buy
records and attend, like "The Records", where we
find great material of punk and hardcore in
vinyl, beyond the "So What CD Shop", in Gallery
of Rock, which already exists for many years.
We miss the old stores like historical "Punk
Rock Discos" of the lead singer of Olho Seco (Fábio)
who later became the "Decontrol Discos". All of
them are in the center of São Paulo.
We also buy enough national stuff on the
internet, especially in the store
www.redstar77.com of "Red Star Recordings".
Is it important
to get out physical records of your stuff? Why
or why not? Vinyl, CD, cassette, what do you
prefer if you could choose whatever ?
R: (Caio) Well,
I'm not sure anymore if it is that important to
get a CD or Vinyl out today. It helps in some
aspects, but also represents a lot of effort and
costs. This CD enabled some opportunities for us
like making contacts abroad (we would probably
never had the chance to answer to this interview
without it). It also helps us promoting the band
locally. What needs to be said is that we really
earn almost no money with it, not even close to
cover all costs we had to produce it.
this CD has other important meanings for the
band. In 2014, when we finished the "Meus
Dilemas" album, the band was already about 15
years old and had never launched a full-length
record (up to that point of time we only
participated in collections, launched EPs, split
albums, etc...) therefore we always had this odd
feeling that we wouldn't be a true band until we
We would also
love to have it on Vinyl but this we still
couldn't concretize. Funny thing is that during
the mastering sessions we even thought about the
maximum length that the album could have to make
this possible. In Brazil we do not have many
vinyl factories and the existing ones are
overloaded and expensive. Many local bands
somehow manage to launch their albums in vinyl
by manufacturing them outside of Brazil, but
they normally have good international contacts
to other independent record labels and bands.
Unfortunately we have never been good in setting
up those networks.
Please tell me a
funny thing which have happened during your
career and under some gig?
There are three years ago, on a Saturday bitch
sunny Saturday (35º C), we would play in a city
close to São Paulo. We arrived just after lunch,
we did a quick test to hit the set list, take a
few beers to refresh and late in the afternoon
we went to the venue to see the place and see if
it was all right for the show. It was a shack
not very new, but it had a very cool vibe and
already had some people at the door waiting for
the place to open.
At that time we still talk, "Today is a great
weather for people to leave home and go have a
beer enjoying a punk rock show".
After know the place, we've decided to set the
stage and let everything right to showtime.
During assembly of the stage we heard a loud
noise that came from outside and like thunder,
but discarded this hypothesis because the day
had been sunny. After a few minutes another
sound of the same intensity ... at this time,
someone came to tell us that it was starting to
rain bearing. Suddenly gusts began unroof the
place, the light was over and it started to rain
on stage. We started to dismantle all too fast
to avoid damaging the equipment. After a few
minutes, there were practically a waterfall on
the bar counter ... After we keep all the
equipment at the top and in a safe place, we
went to door and we noticed that the street
looked like a river ... the car had been dragged
about 5 meters down the stream, a tree trunk was
lying on the street ... war scenario. People who
were passing in the street began to abandon
their cars and run into the bar.
After 40 minutes the rain began to subside until
it stopped completely. There was no
infrastructure in place to realize our show, the
audience would not come and who was there
started to fix the damage.
At the end we took two acoustic guitars, played
all night for the "bar survivors," drinking beer
and eating a pizza the early morning.
We got back to that city after a year in another
location, but finally we have played there!
How does your
audience look like? Which people do you miss on
your concerts? Which is the biggest band you
ever have played together with?
R: (Caio) Our
audience are teenagers and middle-aged people.
There are several punks among our audience but
our music also seems to attract other kind of
persons that like rock music, sometimes even
people that normally wouldn't go to a punk rock
show. Now that the band is almost 20 years old,
we already see different generations in our
gigs. We can identify the punk, skins, mods and
rockers from the 2000's and several of the
2010's generation. For the younger ones we are
already "old school" which is a strange thing
We never got the
chance to play outside of Brazil, but
fortunately we got to play with some of the
international bands we love when they came to
Brazil, like GBH, Stiff Little Fingers, Rezillos,
The Adicts, TSOL and even on a show with Olga
from the Toy Dolls.
Please rank your
five favorite records, five favorite concerts
and five most important things in life?
Sorry mate, but is impossible! I would have to
divide it in more categories to not commit any
injustice. So let’s see…
Ramones is the
best band ever for us and we love their albums,
but here are the top 7 in my point of view:
1 - Rocket to
2 - Road to Ruin
3 - End of the
4 - Mondo
5 - Leave Home
6 - Pleasant
7 - Ramones
This is killing
me!!! I could put 30 or more albums in this
list, because we really love it.
So looking at
other bands now, I would rank it this way:
1 - London
Calling - The Clash
2 - Never Mind
the Bollocks - Sex Pistols
3 - Beware -
4 - The
Undertones - Undertones
5 - Can't Stand
The Rezillos - The Rezillos
6 - Love Bites -
7 - Sound Of
Music - The Adicts
Absurd-Ditties - Toy Dolls
9 - Frustration
Paradise/Fight Amongst Yourselves - The
10 - Nobody's
Heroes - Stiff Little Fingers
11 - In the City
- The Jam
12 - Alternative
Chartbusters - The Boys
13 - Shock
Troops - Cock Sparrer
14 - Damned
Damned Damned - The Damned
15 - Crossing
the Red Sea With - The Adverts
We also loved
the whole Beatles discography!
My five favorite
The Ramones -
Brasil - São Paulo - 1994/1996
Fingers - Brasil - São Paulo - 2000
Brasil - São Paulo - 2006
Buzzcocks - São
Paulo - 2007
- São Paulo - 2008
Here are five
important things in our lives:
friendship, respect, creativity, music and a
good dose of rebelliousness! Ops, this sum up
Is it boring
with interviews? Is it much interviews??
R: (Ronaldo) It
depends. It’s not boring to answer to good
interviews like this one. What bothers, is when
we have to answer to questions asked by someone
who is not really interested in the band or in
the interview. In this kind of interview, it
seems that a set of predefined standard
questions have been selected and could be made
to any other band in any circumstance. Now and
then we answer to interviews, but until now,
only in Portuguese.
If you could
choose five bands from the past and the history
and nowadays and both dead and living bands to
have a concert together with your band. Which
five have you been chosen?
Regarding nowadays bands, we would have
difficulties! Between dead or alive, we get the
Ramones, The Clash, Misfits (with Glen Danzig),
The Jam and Toy Dolls. All of them as old times
in 70’s / early 80’s.
Is music a good
way to get out frustration and become a nicer
person outside the music??
R: (Ronaldo) We have no doubts about it, it
happens to us! Obviously, not all styles of
music require an intellectual depth, artistic
and even spiritual, but usually it is a choice
Which is the
most odd question you ever have got in an
R: (Ronaldo) Are
you an EMO band?
Which is the
question you want to have but you never get.
Please ask it and answer it?
R: (Caio) What we like is to really have a
chance to say something that is particular and
personal of the band and its work. Many
interviews don’t give us the chance to do so and
at the end, it seems that our answers could fit
to any other band without differenciation.
So if we launch a new album for example, we want
to talk about how the recording, composition,
mixing, partnerships, preparation for the first
gigs, and the whole concept behind it was
established. We made a totally DIY album, bought
all recording equipment and did it everything at
home without entering in any studio, without
having formal recording lessons or external
help. This kind of thing we want to say.
If we go on a tour, we want to talk about
everybody who helps us concretizing it, all the
funny stories, and all the interesting people we
met, because all this is part of the bands
history and tells a lot about who we are.
We also want to have the chance to talk about
what inspires us, why we keep doing this, what
we believe in, etc… but you already made all
those questions. Thanks for that!
Future plans for
R: (Caio) We really want to play as much as we
can so that more people get to know us. We are
not good by promoting the band and that’s why we
feel that there is room to let more people know
We are also already working on new songs for a
second full-length album we have already
selected one and a half dozen of ideas to work
on. Ronaldo has hours of recorded riffs,
refrains, bases, melodies, etc… that needs to be
refined to build a complete song out of it and
that’s what we are working on.
As I already mentioned, we would also love to
have a chance to launch our material on Vinyl
and have the chance to play outside of Brazil.
There are many other ideas we are working on
parallel to those ones, but the ones I mentioned
are the most important ones.
As you see, we have plans and dreams a lot but
so little time to dedicate to them, so we go
step by step as fast as we can. Important thing
is that all of us in the band can’t imagine our
lives without the band, so we keep moving on by
Staying next to my friends, my girlfriend and my
family to try to have as many happy moments as
possible. Play and listen to lots of music, and
keep writing music forever. Maybe this will help
me to go through life with a little more
pleasure and inner peace, because life can
usually be very sad.
(Caio) Move away from São Paulo to a smaller
city nearby, quit my current job that suck away
all my energy and dedicate to things I like
more, like my band and, my family, my ideals.
Question everything, do not swallow anything and
be open to review all your conclusions for not
to become a conservative idiot.
R: (Ronaldo) We
love to do music and play in a band, it is one
of the few things in our lives where we can
really do things in our way, be who we want to
be and act freely without having to play by
someone else’s rules. We would love to have more
time to dedicate to this, but we do the best we
can to conciliate every aspect of our lives.
What we do is honest and means a lot for us.
Every now and then we see someone who connects
and get touched by our music. This means that a
little bit of what we believe and do, also makes
sense and in some way affect other people's live
and this is very gratifying. Hope you guy's like
our stuff and that we can meet in the future.